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by the way, boehner's word to gohmert after the vote, "louie, i love you too." >>> finally this one. after the election we heard certain ceos were threatening to fire employees if president obama won the election. some are going through with it. robert murray, ceo of the coal company that ordered employees to attend a rally with mitt romney, laid off 156 employees the day after the election. nice guy. john schneider, ceo of papa john's pizza chain, says he will be cutting employee hours to avoid costs associated with obama care. finally, john metz, ceo of several denny's franchises, says he will add a 5% surcharge to customers' bills to offset the cost of obama care. you don't want to pay extra, he suggests you simply tip the server less to offset the cost. what a sweetheart. >>> up next, new information on the affair that brought down cia director david petraeus. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. now back to "hardball." >>> back to "hardball." we now know the identity of that fbi agent, that tampa socialite jill kelley reached out to after receiving suspicious e-ma
by the way, boehner's word to gohmert after the vote, "louie, i love you too." >>> finally this one. after the election we heard certain ceos were threatening to fire employees if president obama won the election. some are going through with it. robert murray, ceo of the coal company that ordered employees to attend a rally with mitt romney, laid off 156 employees the day after the election. nice guy. john schneider, ceo of papa john's pizza chain, says he will be cutting...
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john boehner, mitch mcconnell saying they want the bush tax cuts for everyone. joe, will they have to bend on that? isn't that really the issue? will they bend on the republican side? >> the republicans are going to have to bend. we have to get this done. we've only got 46 days before the -- before we would fall off this fiscal cliff and to fall off the cliff would mean 3.9% hit for gdp next year. we can't afford that because that would potentially throw us into another recession. we want to avoid that at all costs. the big issue i think for most people would be taxes. most people -- and governor rendell said, well, it's not just a matter of tax increases on the wealthiest americans but it's a host of spending challenges that we face across the board that would impact millions of people and certainly impact us in a huge way. i think republicans have to bend. republicans are going to be looking at of course cuts in spending and cuts in entitlements as well as the possibility of new revenue and i think they're very open to this. i think some republicans will push
john boehner, mitch mcconnell saying they want the bush tax cuts for everyone. joe, will they have to bend on that? isn't that really the issue? will they bend on the republican side? >> the republicans are going to have to bend. we have to get this done. we've only got 46 days before the -- before we would fall off this fiscal cliff and to fall off the cliff would mean 3.9% hit for gdp next year. we can't afford that because that would potentially throw us into another recession. we want...
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boehner appreciates that, dana. just looking at their body language sitting around the table, they're all smiling awkwardly and trying to get along, so hopefully as the morning progresses, you know, the talks will be cordial and arrive at some sort of conclusion. do you have any hopes an actual plan will be developed from this meeting? >> the bright lines over which neither side will cross will likely be established. the players have been very careful not to draw the bright lines in public, for example, the president now publicly at least has made clear that, yes, he promised during the campaign to raise those rates for those families making $250,000 or more but he is also in the next sentence said i am open if anybody has any other ideas to figuring out how to raise other tax revenue in order to achieve his goal which is deficit reduction, about a trillion dollars in deficit reduction. those kinds of lines and paramete parameters. >> dana bash, thank you so much. i know you're busy today. we appreciate you giving y
boehner appreciates that, dana. just looking at their body language sitting around the table, they're all smiling awkwardly and trying to get along, so hopefully as the morning progresses, you know, the talks will be cordial and arrive at some sort of conclusion. do you have any hopes an actual plan will be developed from this meeting? >> the bright lines over which neither side will cross will likely be established. the players have been very careful not to draw the bright lines in...
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not the president who is the problem it's john boehner's lack of control of his own party. jon: you hear john boehner telling the president to show some leadership. >> i hope he goes to his caucus and is able to corral them. >> if you want economic growth you lower taxes. jon: julie and monica, thank you. >> thank you. jon: and we'll be right back. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it mahelp lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just he to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. jon: a fox news alert now on a deadly train crash at a parade honoring our nation's heroes. the images from midland, texas, where police say a freight train slammed into a parade float carrying wounded veterans. four people were killed. more than a dozen others injured. casey seeing fell live in midland, texas, with more on this tragedy. casey? >> reporter: yeah, jon, union pacific railroad spo
not the president who is the problem it's john boehner's lack of control of his own party. jon: you hear john boehner telling the president to show some leadership. >> i hope he goes to his caucus and is able to corral them. >> if you want economic growth you lower taxes. jon: julie and monica, thank you. >> thank you. jon: and we'll be right back. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it mahelp lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just he to eat it...
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the most interesting thing, though, from the boehner aide was that john boehner believes there is not enough time from now until the end of the year to actually have a grand bargain. there's enough time, though, to put together the framework for what a grand bargain would look like. essentially have the top lines agreed to that by sometime in 2013 you could have both the chambers, the senate and the house, come together on some substantial tax reform, entitlement reform, and get rid of the sort of automatic cuts that we see as a sequester, and the tax increases and have a mechanism you can replace them with. listen to the congressional leaders in their photo op in the white house before thanksgiving that they had today. >> we've put revenue on the table, as long as it's accompanied by significant spending cuts. >> we have a cornerstones of being able to work something out. we're both going to have to give up some of the things that we know are a problem. >> we should have a goal in terms of how much deficit reduction. we should have a deadline before christmas. >> we fully understand
the most interesting thing, though, from the boehner aide was that john boehner believes there is not enough time from now until the end of the year to actually have a grand bargain. there's enough time, though, to put together the framework for what a grand bargain would look like. essentially have the top lines agreed to that by sometime in 2013 you could have both the chambers, the senate and the house, come together on some substantial tax reform, entitlement reform, and get rid of the sort...
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as for speaker boehner i know they would personally like to make this time of deal. assuming the grand bargain happens, you can't get it done in a lame duck session, at least you move forward there, grand bargain, is this something that safbs the u.s. from this debt we've inflicted on ourselves for so long, where people stand up and notice it or would there still be the naysayers out there that say it still is not enough. what do you think? >> i think a true grand bargain would be a really great confidence signal to markets. now i don't think it's the solution for our short term growth problems because right now borrowing is cheap and we don't have a debt problem dragging on our economy right now but if we're looking at freeing up investment, freeing up hiring over the medium and long terms, absolutely the markets would love that. >> i think, also, the biggest negative domestically generated is the perpetual fights of brinksmanship, government shutdown, debt ceiling. a grand bargain that if it did nothing else put off those types of fights for the foreseeable future
as for speaker boehner i know they would personally like to make this time of deal. assuming the grand bargain happens, you can't get it done in a lame duck session, at least you move forward there, grand bargain, is this something that safbs the u.s. from this debt we've inflicted on ourselves for so long, where people stand up and notice it or would there still be the naysayers out there that say it still is not enough. what do you think? >> i think a true grand bargain would be a...
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that doesn't seem like it'll be a go for john boehner, does it? >> no, at least at this point it doesn't. after all, the republicans want those tax cuts to continue. that's really the nub of it. how far they'll go, it's a very important meeting. this is really it. this is where the president weighs in. it's mano a mano. the person who's taking a harder stance is mitch mcconnell. let's listen to what he says from the senate side. >> we don't happen to think the government needs more revenue. the government spends too much as it is. if democrats are willing to reduce spending and strengthen entitlement programs, which we all know are on an unsustainable path that threatens our own long-term viability and the economic well-being of our children and grandchildren, then we'll be there. what we won't do is raise tax rates. >> okay. so read the fine print. raise tax rates. now, there's a difference between raising tax rates and raising revenue, making people pay more by doing things which the republicans have suggested like, you know, capping loopholes o
that doesn't seem like it'll be a go for john boehner, does it? >> no, at least at this point it doesn't. after all, the republicans want those tax cuts to continue. that's really the nub of it. how far they'll go, it's a very important meeting. this is really it. this is where the president weighs in. it's mano a mano. the person who's taking a harder stance is mitch mcconnell. let's listen to what he says from the senate side. >> we don't happen to think the government needs more...
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>> well, i think speaker boehner has struck the right tone. clearly both from election -- the day after the election and including today we had the opportunity to meet with leader pelosi afterwards who was very encouraging about the meeting that took place in the white house, and i think boehner has always been, who is an institutionalist, has always cared deeply about this and would have struck the right deal. it's always been that element within the republican conference that has kept him from getting there, but i see a different kind of resolve and obviously, martin, for the interests of the country we hope that they don't lead us off this cliff that, as you point out, is artificially created by them, and so there's -- i think there's great hope that we can get this accomplished and set up the framework for the next session. >> okay. well, i want to play something for you of that encapsulates the outlook of some republicans. listen to this. >> i mean, it's a proven political strategy, which is give a bunch of money from the government to a
>> well, i think speaker boehner has struck the right tone. clearly both from election -- the day after the election and including today we had the opportunity to meet with leader pelosi afterwards who was very encouraging about the meeting that took place in the white house, and i think boehner has always been, who is an institutionalist, has always cared deeply about this and would have struck the right deal. it's always been that element within the republican conference that has kept...
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boehner has said similar things. the administration seems to be open to perhaps tax rates not going up quite as much as they initially proposed but they're still absolutely insistent on those tax rate increases of some size. there's a lot that has to come together in a short period of time in order to get a deal. it's not impossible. but i think the risk of at least temporarily going over this cliff is significant. >> so, zanny minton-beddoughs says it's not a cliff. it's like a blue slope on a ski slope. christine says it's a cliff like a black diamond. >> big black diamond. >> other people have said it's a gentle slope like a sunny day slope down the hill. what is it, do you think? >> the problem is we're going to start going downhill and not know exactly whether it's a blue slope or a double diamond. you don't know exactly what's ahead of you, because we don't know how quickly a deal will come together. that's the problem. if on january 2nd the leadership of the congress and the president say, don't worry. we've g
boehner has said similar things. the administration seems to be open to perhaps tax rates not going up quite as much as they initially proposed but they're still absolutely insistent on those tax rate increases of some size. there's a lot that has to come together in a short period of time in order to get a deal. it's not impossible. but i think the risk of at least temporarily going over this cliff is significant. >> so, zanny minton-beddoughs says it's not a cliff. it's like a blue...
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i just think about the prospect of john boehner and nancy pelosi working together. i think about you sitting down with vice president biden and president obama and john boehner and talking about what's possible. what do you expect about the republican world view and goals to change because of this election? >> well, the president was very clear in the campaign. on where he stood. there was no ambiguity about where he was on many of the issues. and so his election, i think, strengthens our hand at the table. but the public still has to continue to be engaged. public sentiment is everything. and in the past, for example, the republicans in the house were the odd people out on the -- on some of the tax bill. one of the tax -- you know, deduction. and then also on the transportation bill. and so when the president went public on those, then they finally came around. but they're not going to come around just by persuasion sitting across the table, i do not believe. >> they are not going to come around just by persuasion in washington. nancy pelosi essentially calling for
i just think about the prospect of john boehner and nancy pelosi working together. i think about you sitting down with vice president biden and president obama and john boehner and talking about what's possible. what do you expect about the republican world view and goals to change because of this election? >> well, the president was very clear in the campaign. on where he stood. there was no ambiguity about where he was on many of the issues. and so his election, i think, strengthens our...
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. >> is that the big onus on john boehner? >> i think it is the onus on all of the negotiators. it's all of them at this point. because that's where the spotlight is. yeah. it's going to be quite a task. we saw that when this happened the last time. it's going to come right up to the line. i think we might be here late december. >> the drama will take us through the end of the year. our power panel, jackie kucinich, blake, robert, thanks to all three of you. >>> up next i'll talk with someone who was in this morning's closed door hearing with general petraeus, republican congressman tom rooney will join the show. what do you think about today's testimony? tweet me your comments at thomas a. roberts. we're back after this. [ male announcer ] when was the last time something made your jaw drop? campbell's has 24 new soups that will make it drop over, and over again. ♪ from jammin' jerk chicken, to creamy gouda bisque. see what's new from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. and you learned something along the way. this is the age of knowing what you're made of. so, why let
. >> is that the big onus on john boehner? >> i think it is the onus on all of the negotiators. it's all of them at this point. because that's where the spotlight is. yeah. it's going to be quite a task. we saw that when this happened the last time. it's going to come right up to the line. i think we might be here late december. >> the drama will take us through the end of the year. our power panel, jackie kucinich, blake, robert, thanks to all three of you. >>> up...
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>> yeah, from boehner i am. the president has now painted himself -- painted those guys in to -- how many times has he drawn a line in the sand about that high right on 250. he's made a point and he can't possibly go back on that now, can he? >> i think he can. look, i think he's drawing a line on getting money from those people, there people making 250 and above. but he hasn't drawn a line on how he gets that money. he's said at his news conference i'm skeptical that you can do enough in loopholes and exclusions to get the money that we need for a deal from that group. but he also said i'm open to new ideas. so if there is in fact an effort to close some loopholes that gets you some of the way there, you can certainly see the president, i could anyway, compromising somewhere between 35 and 39.6 on a slightly higher rate. if shall be caomebody came up w source of revenue which didn't change the distribution of the tax burden, figure out a way to do it without a top rate. i kind of expect what's going to happen i
>> yeah, from boehner i am. the president has now painted himself -- painted those guys in to -- how many times has he drawn a line in the sand about that high right on 250. he's made a point and he can't possibly go back on that now, can he? >> i think he can. look, i think he's drawing a line on getting money from those people, there people making 250 and above. but he hasn't drawn a line on how he gets that money. he's said at his news conference i'm skeptical that you can do...
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. >> tomorrow is speaker boehner's birthday so for those of you who want to wish him a happy birthday, we will -- we're not going to embarrass him with a cake because we didn't know how many candles were needed. >> yeah, right. >> but we want to wish him a happy birthday. >> that's 63 candles and one for good luck. the president did give him a bottle of 1997 brunelo retailing for $125. "parks and recreations" gets her moment with the vice president. >> this isn't happening. this -- this isn't real. >> no. it's happening. i'm delighted to have you here. on behalf of the president and myself i want to -- be. >> oh, mr. vice president. i am deeply flattered but there's no way i could take over madam secretary's position. i want to say thank you. >> you're very welcome. you're very welcome. you're very welcome. >> you're very handsome. >> well done. >> good day. i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. there's a career there for somebody. for the third day on a serious note, israel and hamas are trading fire with fire ringing out in jerusalem for the first time. so far israel's campaign ha
. >> tomorrow is speaker boehner's birthday so for those of you who want to wish him a happy birthday, we will -- we're not going to embarrass him with a cake because we didn't know how many candles were needed. >> yeah, right. >> but we want to wish him a happy birthday. >> that's 63 candles and one for good luck. the president did give him a bottle of 1997 brunelo retailing for $125. "parks and recreations" gets her moment with the vice president. >>...
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you would see mitch mcconnell and john boehner's people sort of drawing their lines in the sand. that's not really happening even though that is sort of by far much sort of bigger story as far as what's going to happen in the country. as far as -- and priority list for both the white house and congress. >> do you think they also get that at the white house? that as long as -- as much as they may be getting hurt or not by the islamist people are talking about benghazi, it enables some room for the white house to get involved in the negotiations as well. >> it allows them to negotiate this without sort of a spotlight on fiscal cliff story which is -- you know, a story that has about six weeks left in it before some -- before taxes go up on everyone and significant spending cuts happen across the country. not just the military. >> you've been covering the hill for awhile in addition to the campaigns. do you get the sense that this will be the time when they say okay, they've reached some agreement on the tax out on the revenue side and republicans eat it a little bit. for people mak
you would see mitch mcconnell and john boehner's people sort of drawing their lines in the sand. that's not really happening even though that is sort of by far much sort of bigger story as far as what's going to happen in the country. as far as -- and priority list for both the white house and congress. >> do you think they also get that at the white house? that as long as -- as much as they may be getting hurt or not by the islamist people are talking about benghazi, it enables some room...
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can john boehner control the tea party? can mitch mcconnell protect his right flank? thank you very much. >> by the way, he's got to, i guess. he's got an election coming up himself. >> and he had a tough re-election. remember, he had to run six years ago right after the auto bailouts, had a tougher election than he wanted. >>> still ahead, new jersey governor chris christie joins the set. also actor bradley cooper will be here. next, senator saxby chambliss and andrea mitchell. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 after that, it's on to germany. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 then tonight, i'm trading 9500 miles away in japan. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 with the new global account from schwab, tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 i hunt down opport
can john boehner control the tea party? can mitch mcconnell protect his right flank? thank you very much. >> by the way, he's got to, i guess. he's got an election coming up himself. >> and he had a tough re-election. remember, he had to run six years ago right after the auto bailouts, had a tougher election than he wanted. >>> still ahead, new jersey governor chris christie joins the set. also actor bradley cooper will be here. next, senator saxby chambliss and andrea...